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		Comment on Should I just drop group health insurance and offer an HRA instead? by Sage Benefit Advisors		</title>
		<link>/blog/colorado/should-i-just-drop-group-health-insurance-and-offer-an-hra-instead/#comment-340</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sage Benefit Advisors]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 21:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/blog/colorado/should-i-just-drop-group-health-insurance-and-offer-an-hra-instead/#comment-332&quot;&gt;David VanLeeuwen&lt;/a&gt;.

I believe this practice is fraught with difficulty. http://www.kushnerco.com/article.php?fileName=IndividualPolicies - an article that speaks to some of the issues of concern. I&#039;ve also copied and linked to IRS regs - there is a way to do this. That being said, recent guidance, especially as it relates to using an HSA to accomplish this as of 2014 - appears to be ending this practice. I urge caution and suggest that you ask any vendor for legal opinions or for a hold harmless for the employer should the plan not pass muster with the IRS.

&lt;strong&gt;Employer-Provided Accident and Health
Plan&lt;/strong&gt;
Coverage under an employer-provided
accident and health plan that satisfies
the requirements of section 105(b) may
be provided as a qualified benefit
through a cafeteria plan and is
excludible from employees’ gross
income. Section 106; § 1.106–1. The
nondiscrimination rules under section
105(h) apply to self-insured medical
reimbursement arrangements (including
health FSAs).
The new proposed regulations
specifically permit a cafeteria plan (but
not a health FSA) to pay or reimburse
substantiated individual accident and
health insurance premiums. See Rev.
Rul. 61–146 (1961–2 CB 25), see
§ 601.601(d)(2)(ii)(b). In addition, a
cafeteria plan may provide for payment
of COBRA premiums for an employee.
For employer-provided accident and
health plans and medical
reimbursement plans, the definition of
dependents is the definition in section
105(b) as amended by the Working
Families Tax Relief Act of 2004
(WFTRA), Public Law 108–311, section
207(9) (118 Stat. 1166) (that is, a
dependent as defined in section 152,
determined without regard to section
152(b)(1), (b)(2), or (d)(1)(B)). See Notice
2004–79 (2004–2 CB 898), see
§ 601.601(d)(2)(ii)(b). For purposes of
the exclusion from employees’ gross
income for accident and health plans
and for medical reimbursement under
sections 105(b) and 106, the spouse or
dependent of a former employee
(including a retired employee or a laidoff
employee) or of a deceased employee
is treated as a spouse or dependent. See
Rev. Rul. 82–196 (1982–2 CB 53); Rev.
Rul. 85–121 (1985–2 CB 57), see
§ 601.601(d)(2)(ii)(b).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/blog/colorado/should-i-just-drop-group-health-insurance-and-offer-an-hra-instead/#comment-332">David VanLeeuwen</a>.</p>
<p>I believe this practice is fraught with difficulty. <a href="http://www.kushnerco.com/article.php?fileName=IndividualPolicies" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.kushnerco.com/article.php?fileName=IndividualPolicies</a> &#8211; an article that speaks to some of the issues of concern. I&#8217;ve also copied and linked to IRS regs &#8211; there is a way to do this. That being said, recent guidance, especially as it relates to using an HSA to accomplish this as of 2014 &#8211; appears to be ending this practice. I urge caution and suggest that you ask any vendor for legal opinions or for a hold harmless for the employer should the plan not pass muster with the IRS.</p>
<p><strong>Employer-Provided Accident and Health<br />
Plan</strong><br />
Coverage under an employer-provided<br />
accident and health plan that satisfies<br />
the requirements of section 105(b) may<br />
be provided as a qualified benefit<br />
through a cafeteria plan and is<br />
excludible from employees’ gross<br />
income. Section 106; § 1.106–1. The<br />
nondiscrimination rules under section<br />
105(h) apply to self-insured medical<br />
reimbursement arrangements (including<br />
health FSAs).<br />
The new proposed regulations<br />
specifically permit a cafeteria plan (but<br />
not a health FSA) to pay or reimburse<br />
substantiated individual accident and<br />
health insurance premiums. See Rev.<br />
Rul. 61–146 (1961–2 CB 25), see<br />
§ 601.601(d)(2)(ii)(b). In addition, a<br />
cafeteria plan may provide for payment<br />
of COBRA premiums for an employee.<br />
For employer-provided accident and<br />
health plans and medical<br />
reimbursement plans, the definition of<br />
dependents is the definition in section<br />
105(b) as amended by the Working<br />
Families Tax Relief Act of 2004<br />
(WFTRA), Public Law 108–311, section<br />
207(9) (118 Stat. 1166) (that is, a<br />
dependent as defined in section 152,<br />
determined without regard to section<br />
152(b)(1), (b)(2), or (d)(1)(B)). See Notice<br />
2004–79 (2004–2 CB 898), see<br />
§ 601.601(d)(2)(ii)(b). For purposes of<br />
the exclusion from employees’ gross<br />
income for accident and health plans<br />
and for medical reimbursement under<br />
sections 105(b) and 106, the spouse or<br />
dependent of a former employee<br />
(including a retired employee or a laidoff<br />
employee) or of a deceased employee<br />
is treated as a spouse or dependent. See<br />
Rev. Rul. 82–196 (1982–2 CB 53); Rev.<br />
Rul. 85–121 (1985–2 CB 57), see<br />
§ 601.601(d)(2)(ii)(b).</p>
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		Comment on Should I just drop group health insurance and offer an HRA instead? by David VanLeeuwen		</title>
		<link>/blog/colorado/should-i-just-drop-group-health-insurance-and-offer-an-hra-instead/#comment-332</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David VanLeeuwen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[would using a Premium Reimbursement Arrangement be the better approach?  i.e. PRA is sec 125...employer could make contribution for employee to buy indiv plan and employee  contrib run through PRA]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>would using a Premium Reimbursement Arrangement be the better approach?  i.e. PRA is sec 125&#8230;employer could make contribution for employee to buy indiv plan and employee  contrib run through PRA</p>
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		Comment on How much can I contribute towards my HSA for 2012? by denver mobile marketing websites		</title>
		<link>/blog/health-savings-accounts/how-much-can-i-contribute-towards-my-hsa-for-2012/#comment-325</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[denver mobile marketing websites]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I blog often and I genuinely appreciate your information.
This article has really peaked my interest. I&#039;m going to bookmark your site and keep checking for new details about once a week. I opted in for your Feed too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blog often and I genuinely appreciate your information.<br />
This article has really peaked my interest. I&#8217;m going to bookmark your site and keep checking for new details about once a week. I opted in for your Feed too.</p>
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		Comment on Should I just drop group health insurance and offer an HRA instead? by Group Health insurance		</title>
		<link>/blog/colorado/should-i-just-drop-group-health-insurance-and-offer-an-hra-instead/#comment-322</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Group Health insurance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, 

Nice post ! thanks for sharing.&lt;a href=&quot;http://dgsbenefits.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, </p>
<p>Nice post ! thanks for sharing.<a href="http://dgsbenefits.com" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		Comment on Will anyone be allowed to buy insurance through the Colorado Health Insurance Exchange? by Individual Health Insurance		</title>
		<link>/blog/colorado/will-anyone-be-allowed-to-buy-insurance-through-the-colorado-health-insurance-exchange/#comment-240</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Individual Health Insurance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great information! It is so important that there is coverage for all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great information! It is so important that there is coverage for all.</p>
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		Comment on Why Is Health Insurance So Expensive? by David - Financial Planning Blogger		</title>
		<link>/blog/group-health-insurance/why-is-health-insurance-so-expensive/#comment-36</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David - Financial Planning Blogger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 06:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice article. Now I learned why is the health insurance is so expensive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. Now I learned why is the health insurance is so expensive.</p>
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